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Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa! Board Reverses Nativity, Christmas Tree Ban

Committee’s Courthouse Grounds Ruling Spurs Uproar; Dozens Speak Out
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Thursday, 3 December 2009
 
 

Grinch
 There, enough. Now back to the news.

On Dec. 1, the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors spared a little known group of volunteers further ridicule by overturning the group’s recent decision to ban the placement of displays like Christmas trees, nativity scenes and menorahs on the grounds of the county courthouse in Leesburg.

“We want the community to come together in a great gathering spot that is Leesburg,” Supervisor Lori Waters (R-Broad Run) said at a Dec. 1 meeting. “We want to have an open access and equal access policy … Not everyone will agree with all the symbols. But we have to ensure there is equal access for everyone.”

The reversal was not unanimous. Supervisor Jim Burton (I-Blue Ridge), who cast the lone no vote, said the reversal could open the grounds up to more than simple holiday décor.

“I am concerned this motion will turn the courthouse grounds into a public circus,” he said.

The Courthouse Grounds and Facilities Task Force made its ruling to ban displays at a meeting on Nov. 23—and considering the timing of decision, reaction was swift, vocal and mass-producing.

On Monday night, a large group of protesters braved the cold rain and descended on Leesburg to demand that the Board of Supervisors overturn the ban.

“I’m here because I’m angry. I’m very angry that a [task force] could overrule the will of the people,” Lansdowne’s Joan Gorman told supervisors.

An emotional Stanley Caulkins, a longtime Leesburg business owner, held up a dollar bill to the board to show his opposition. “In God We Trust,” he said as his voice cracked. “It says it right there on my money.”

Meanwhile, as of Monday night, an online petition, www.ipetitions.com/petition/leesburgnativity/index.html, had the signatures of nearly 1,000 people opposed to the ban.

“What else can they take away?” one person wrote online. “Christ is the reason for this season!”

Another wrote: “This is so ridiculous! Come on Loudoun, keep with tradition! Screw political correctness!”

One of the people who helped organize the charge against the ban was Leesburg Town Council member Ken Reid.

“I’m disappointed,” he said in an interview before the board’s reversal. “It was a decision that was made without any public input … if the county does not reverse this, it will look like a Grinch.”

Created by the board in 2000, the task force is composed of eight members who meet monthly, and collectively act as the property manager of the grounds.

County official Paul Brown, who has worked with the task force in the past, said its members acknowledged the timing of the new policy was poor, but it had nothing to do with the holidays or being politically correct. He said that while members did cite state law prohibiting displays on courthouse grounds, the main reason behind the ban was public safety, as a display could topple over, injuring someone. Also, he said, the courthouse does not have enough staff on hand to monitor the displays.

“It’s a resource issue,” he said.

For years, the courthouse grounds have been the site of holiday displays. A nativity has been erected on the grounds for the past 20 years. Last year, a Jewish menorah was also placed there.

Phil Rusciolelli, of the Rotary Club of Leesburg, said the club has placed a Christmas tree on the grounds each year for the last half-century. He said displays should be allowed since the grounds are public property. “All we are seeking is good government," he said before Tuesday's reversal.

What the ban reversal came down to, according to Supervisor Susan Klimek Buckley (D-Sugarland Run), was that the grounds belong to all residents, regardless of faith.

“The public has the right to use that property for religions display,” she said. “We may not agree with all displays, but being able to display them is a fundamental principal we should never walk away from.”

 


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Comments

Anonymous (not verified)

Great!

Can't wait to see Barbara Munsey, Supe Delgaudio, etc. voicing their support when Muslims, Pagans, Wickens, etc are turned away from exercising the same "right."

Anonymous (not verified)

Shut up already!

Anonymous (not verified)

Oh, Shut UP

Anonymous (not verified)

Wow, the first anonymous got a quick dose of Christmas cheer, didn't she? Point out the flaw in the supposed logic of this and all the "I LOVE CHRISTMAS" folks come right back with nothing but "Shut UP." Welcome to the Gulag, now get in line.

Ed Myers (not verified)

Oh no! Goverment has decided to step in and regulate christmas. It is going to tell us what is the official way to celebrate religious holidays! Whose creche is government going to select as the proper one to use to mark the occasion? The Roman Catholic one or the Orthodox one? Pretty soon the christmas police will be coming to businesses and force them to say Merry Christmas instead of happy holidays. Next they will desend on homeowners and fine those with improper decoration. Giving government control over religion is always a bad idea and I think people are being sentimental fools to use the power of government to trash civil rights.

Anonymous (not verified)

Ho ho ho Merry Christmas Eddie!!!

Anonymous (not verified)

Just shows that it is about time there was an amendement to the first amendment to clarify that it doesn't apply to the important religions. Its purpose is to keep the minor ones from getting too uppity.

Anonymous (not verified)

As long as the county is regulating religion, could they please start forcing them to pay their fair share of real estate taxes?

Kirsten Bakken (not verified)

I want to say I am proud of my fellow Loudoun County residents who took a stand by protesting, signing petitions, and calling their representatives. God Bless you all....That's right I said God......he is the reason for this season after all, not mother earth, the solstice, or any other holiday created by Ron Karenga in the 60's!!!

Ed Myers (not verified)

Kirsten is the perfect example of why this action is not constitutional. She has no room for diversity of religions. The Supreme Court allows creches on public property only when it is part of a montage of holiday expression. If the courthouse is reserved for only one religious interpretation then the action is not permitted.

For government to be tolerant of christmas decorations then it must also tolerate decorations for other religious holidays during the month of December.

Buster Bluth (not verified)

folks, don't worry. these people directly breaking the first ammendment will be a distant memory. you cant justify breaking the first ammendment in any way, shape or form even on a state level. allowing christian symbols and signs on state and federal property is not acceptable. and when did 1000 people become the majority of loudoun county? drill this in your heads. america is NOT a christian nation, there are christians in this nation. please understand the dirrerence. when you have anything representing christ or christianity in front of a state and federal owned courthouse, what does that show other citizens of loudoun county when they infact are not of that religion? the courthouse represents the law which is represented in the state which is represented by the federal government which since the constitution has been established clearly defines the seperation of church and state. how hard is that to understand? i give it a few years for the MAJORITY of people that believe in diversity and not letting others force christianity down our throats. it is ignorant and ridiculous. anyone can practice religion anywhere and anyhow they want but christianity should not be represented on state and federal court grounds. "while members did cite state law prohibiting displays on courthouse grounds".- that couldnt be more clear, and by the way- the courthouse represents the law and the property the courthouse is on represents the law, not religion.
relgion is a beautiful thing, no doubt. I would personally like to let everyone on this blog know that in fact I AM CHRISTIAN and believe in Jesus Christ.-true story. But regradless of my personal beliefs i stand by the constitution. stop stop stop. these people signing this petition are the same people that would jump to the conclusion that anybody that looks muslim is a terrorist. -not true? really, because i have seen more then enough evidence to confirm that statement and the fact that there are too many christians that practice hypocracy and discriminate against anyone that is not christian. if you really claim to be christian then start acting like one hypocrits. but like i said before, this negative and amendment neglecting attitude will be a distant memory-mark my words.

Barbara Munsey (not verified)

Bluster bluth, it isn't a state or federal courthouse, and Ms. Buckley summed it up properly: the choice is to let either EVERYONE, or NO ONE. They chose everyone.

Everyone.

Every one, and Mr. Myers' over-the-top jump to conclusions that this is somehow establishing a county religion is just that--over the top.

As for the committee being concerned about safety, then what about those huge old trees? Terrible accident in Maryland not long ago, with that woman and several children being crushed in their car.

Should we cut them all down, or maybe just ban people from even walking on the property?
Mmmmm, nope.

Buster Bluth (not verified)

Every single judicial office and courthouse in the entire country is under state law which is subject to federal law and does not have to recognize a majority vote by any public within its boundaries that represents or respects an establishment of religion. Majority votes have been abused and a clear example is proposition 8 which is also unconstitutional another story. And I refuse to say something like "learn the facts" or "study state and county legislative law" cause that doesnt help. Having (any) religious symbols and or signs on county property which is subject to state law is 100% against the first ammendment. It was established for a reason and it will stay that way. The only abnormal thing is for people like you (who I am trying to respect) is that you disregard public protected law. Like I said before, religion is a beautiful thing and I practice christianity, but the laws of this country all the way down to state and county levels are put in place for a reason. And for citing "while members did cite state law prohibiting displays on courthouse grounds".- which infact after research, strictly prohibits displays for (safety) reasons is a completely different issue and obvious enough to respect. Put christmas symbols on your property, not the states.

Brian (not verified)

Tragically, some Christians seem to get tunnel vision every year, when some legal action comes against our use of Nativity scenes and Christmas trees, It's as if, suddenly, displaying a plastic model of a Savior in a manger is vital to our faith. PLEASE. Do not get caught up in these quarrels over traditions. I'm not suggesting that no one vote on these matters. I am suggesting that there are much greater justices to be served. These debates do not help those who are in need the most, or what Jesus calls "the least of these". So, pick your battles carefully.

By the way, have people forgotten how the Grinch story ends. When all the Whoville decorations were taken away, every Who came together and celebrated anyway! I plan on doing the same.

So to the "anti-Christian forces" and other grinches: Go ahead! Take away my Nativity scene. I will forgive you anyway. Go ahead and take it! I might even invite you to a Christmas party. If the mood is right,
I might just tell you more about Jesus anyhow.

Buster Bluth (not verified)

nothing here is "anti-Christian". call it "pro-constitution". -that sounds much better. Hey, i have already donated over $500 dollars to the arlington food drive in 2008 and 2009. -and i need no attention from that, just wanted to explain where my christmas spirit is, and have been involved in other charity functions in my church. I stand up for my religion and my faith when appropriate. I love celebrating christmas. This courthouse issue does not take away any religous freedom. Brian, i like your attitude. anyone can produce the feel of christmas anyway they want, just dont connect it with law.

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