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Greason Wants to Give Two-Wheelers Green Light to Run Red Lights

First-Year Delegate Says Legislation is Meant to Keep Bikers Safe
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Thursday, 21 January 2010
 
 

Tag Greason
Thomas "Tag" Greason
First-year delegate, Thomas “Tag” Greason (R-eastern Loudoun), has introduced legislation in Virginia’s General Assembly that would allow those riding two-wheeled vehicles to pass through red traffic lights.

Greason said the idea for the bill arose in December after noticing that large amounts of snow piled at intersections prevented vehicles from triggering sensors that activate green traffic signals. Seeing this, he figured the issue likely posed even more of a hassle for smaller vehicles, like motorcycles. Then, over casual conversation with another delegate, he learned that South Carolina recently enacted a law that allowed motorcyclists to treat red lights like stop signs. So why not in Virginia, he thought.

“It just seemed like the right thing to do,” he said.

In South Carolina, the motorcycle community lobbied for the law over frustrations that motorcycles are too small for traffic signal sensors to pick up, thus leaving bikers stranded at red lights, creating a risk for rear-end collisions. For this reason, the American Motorcycle Association supports Greason’s measure, as it has in eight other states that have similar laws in place.

“Without the financial and engineering resources to tune, repair or replace all traffic-actuated signal detection systems that don't detect motorcycles, state departments of transportation are unable to address what to many motorcyclists is a safety issue,” said James Holter, a spokesman for the association.

If given the green light by other lawmakers, Greason’s bill would take the measure a step further, as it would also give riders of bikes and mopeds the same liberty, as long as they -- and motorcyclists -- remain stopped for at least two minutes before proceeding through the light.

Greason, who rides a bike but not a motorcycle, upset incumbent Democrat David Poisson in November. He said the focus of his first legislative session, which is now under way in Richmond, is “to do five or six things very well.”

He has also introduced legislation that would allow the Loudoun County School Board to have staggered elections; give school boards across Virginia the right to set the opening date for their school years; and extend the sunset on allowing clean-fuel vehicles on state HOV lanes to July 1, 2011, regardless their number of occupants.

Calling it a very “simple bill,” Greason, who is on the House’s transportation, education and science and technology committees, said the driving force behind his red light legislation is safety.

 “Anytime we can make the roads more safe,” he said, “the better.”

 


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Anonymous (not verified)

Tag is seriously misguided here. The whole reason you have traffic lights is that stop signs are not sufficient for traffic control at an intersection. You are going to have motorcycle riders making decisions as to whether or not they have sufficient enough time to stop and then go through a red light. And how many will adhere to the 2 minute rule and how do you enforce this? Allowing motorcyclists to take such actions into their own hands surely is more dangerous than a motorcycle being rear-ended when a traffic light fails to trigger. And is this really an issue? I have never heard of a motorcyclist in Loudoun being injured because a traffic light failed to trigger. We are looking for you to tackle the transportation issues here in Loudoun Tag, but this certainly wasn't on the top of voters concerns when they voted for you.

Anonymous (not verified)

Way to focus on the issues facing Virginians Tag! I'm sure this will help with the congestion on 7 and Waxpool!

Anonymous (not verified)

What traffic 7 and Waxpool do not intersect.

Anonymous (not verified)

What a great proposal. No, really. Just think of how many jobs this will create....in the emergency rooms....

SlimShady (not verified)

How about introducing legislation that would authorize Loudoun County to pass an ordinance to outlaw roadside soliciting?

Bane (not verified)

I'm with you Shady. I hate the people who walk through at the stop lights asking for money.

Anonymous (not verified)

Shady/Bane, there is a law but the county supervisors has to pass a local ordinance. The board considered it last year but didn't want to upset the firefighters who do fundraising at intersections.

Anonymous (not verified)

Of course, if the Board would adequately fund the firefighters, they wouldn't have to stand at intersections begging for spare change. Look for deputies and teachers to be out there soon.

Loudoun Biker (not verified)

As an avid motorcyclist who uses her bike for her primary mode of transportation, I can tell you that this sounds like a fantastic piece of legislation. Safety is indeed a concern for those of us stranded at red lights. Motorcycles are notoriously difficult to see, especially at night or when stopped.

Also, it is extremely frustrating to be stuck at a red light that can't recognize you. At night, when there are fewer cars around to drive up and trigger the lights for me, I'm often forced to go way out of my way just to get out from around a red light. Heaven forbid I'm stuck at a "no turn on red" light which opens the possibility of getting a ticket simply for being unable to get a green light.

Though this does introduce the possibility of bikers abusing the 2-minute rule (and I'm also curious as to how the police will be able to enforce that rule), as well as potentially increasing bikers hit while going through an intersection (which yes, is much worse than being rear-ended, though nearly ALL accidents with motorcycles involve a trip to the hospital so please please watch out for us!!), all-in-all I still very much support this change. Most motorcyclists know that being safe is always the best bet.

Though this may not be the #1 priority, I think it's a great move that will make myself (and many others) feel more at ease riding, especially at night.

Dick Cole (not verified)

I am a motorcyclist and I have had difficulty getting the green arrow to come up, allowing me to make a turn, when I am the first vehicle in a turn lane. There have been numerous occasions where the light never turns to green in the turn lane because my bike does not have sufficient metal mass to register with the magnetic detectors in the pavement that I am waiting to turn. You can imagine how much the drivers behind me in the turn lane love that the light doesn't turn green allowing them to turn. It causes huge backups and, on more than one occasion, they have gone around me, when the light was red, because they got tired of waiting, causing a perilous and unsafe situation for them and other drivers. Would I want to be allowed to turn left on red, treating it like a green light after stopping for two minutes? Not in the crazy intersections in northern Virginia!

What about a situation with a simple intersection of two two-lane roads (one lane of traffic going in opposite directions on each road), with the same situation... my bike is unable to cue the light to turn green because it doesn't have enough metal mass to set off the magnetic detectors. Should I be allowed to go through the light when it is red? Well, if I can do it safely and not risk myself or others, I say sure. Should I have to wait 2 minutes? If I can tell that I am not going to expose myself or others to undue risk, why have to wait? Why should I not be permitted to come to a stop and proceed through the intersection? That way, if there are cars behind me. They would be able to roll over the sensor in the ground and signal the light for the necessity to change to green, and not force them to have to wait a long time for the light to change.

Such a scenerio is the only one that I believe is relatively safe, and will accomplish what this legislation intends.

There are devices for sale for motorcyclists that can be affixed to their bikes that is supposed to aid in the magnetic detectors in the ground being able to "see" a bike at an intersection. I just purchased a "Green Light Trigger" from http://www.greenlightstuff.com/trigger.html which is supposed to help my bike be detected at a light and turn the light green. The purchase price was less than $25 for the device I purchased; however, I haven't yet been able to test it with it being winter, so I don't yet know if it is a practical solution to the problem.

Ed (not verified)

Most of you in my opinion are idiots. I'd say I would be right to say you have never ridden a motorcycle because you think they are dangerous and therefore would like to outlaw them all together. you would be in that group of people that for some reason have to control the lives of others. I feel as a motorcycle rider, this would be a great idea, but instead of a two minute rule, just make the rules same as a stop sign, proceed "IF SAFE TO DO SO" simple enough. I don't know anyone that rides that would just blow through a red light knowing there is cross traffic. you people are so concerned about this possible abuse, yet how many accidents are caused because a "BIKER" (ya I said it) was on his/her cell phone, or texting. Of course I would be the one that believes there should be a motorcycle lane on the interstate.
Its not just a pain to wait on a red light that never changes, and it may not be so much a safety issue as it is a LARGE WASTE OF GAS just sitting there. Why don't you people quit thinking about ways to control the lives of ours and think about the common good.
You know, the christian way, the way I would bit you profess to live.
My grandpa once said to me, "just because a person goes to church, does not make them christians"

Anonymous (not verified)

HHMMM, that sounds about right, What does one know that has never riden a motorcycle'.
People need to worry about their ways of how they make there 'own lives safe!!!

dans (not verified)

This is a great idea, thank you Tag. For those of you sounding off on this, have you ever been on a motorcycle, first in line at a red light which does not change with cars behind you, revving their engines and screaming out their windows ?

This is not just for motorcycles. Think about it, you are driving your child to school, and the motorcycle in front of you did not trigger the light switch because of the vehicle weight. The bill mentions waiting for two minutes, which is about the typical red light on cycle.

VA_Biker (not verified)

Some of you anonymous people who obviously do NOT ride motorcycles have no clue what a big help this will be to motorcyclists in VA. Let me clue you in - There are many red-lights in VA that will not detect even a heavy Harley Davidson touring bike, which is 800+ lbs. In the very early morning, or late evening, a biker can be sitting at an intersection for as long as 20 minutes, waiting for an automobile to show up that is going in the same direction. I'll give you another clue... nobody on a motorcycle is actually stupid enough to wait over 3-4 minutes for the light to change. We run it anyway, regardless of your obvious concern for our safety. So, we run it anyway, after checking and rechecking to make sure it is safe. Most police understand this little fact, a few may not and will try to ticket you - enforcing the very letter of the law with NO sympathy for the stranded biker.

DucMan (not verified)

What an excellent piece of legislation! Let's hope it passes. For all those who drive "cages" and hate motorcyclists, STOP texting, talking on cell phone, picking your nose or applying make up while driving and accident rate will go down. By the way my buddy WAS rear ended when he was sitting on red light on his bike. It wasn't in Loudoun though, but this nonsense happens. Guess what - the driver who hit him WAS talking it up on her cell.

Harley Ed (not verified)

Great idea! As a rider of a 700 lb bike I have experienced this problem many times, and I consider this to be an excellent solution. I'm OK with the two minute wait period, but on several occasions have experienced concern over the frustrated, and sometimes angry, occupant of the cage behind me, crowding my rear in a hope to trigger the light - so I would be open to "Wait until Safe" language.

South Carolina passed a similar law last May, and North Carolina did the same in 2007. Wisconsin (2006), Idaho (2006) Arkansas (2005), Tennessee (2003) and Minnesota (2002), all have passed laws the past six years, and similar bills have been introduced in Georgia, Missouri and Oklahoma. Other states, such as California, are considering technological solutions - but there is a significant price tag associated with this.

As a driver/rider who has spent considerable time on both four wheels and two wheels over the past 37 years I can appreciate the safety aspects and limitations of both. This legislation responds to the unobstructed view, response and maneuverability capabilities of motorcycles and meets the intent and objective of defensive driving. Well done, Tag, and good luck!

Dingus5 (not verified)

Great common sense proposal! There are too many traffic lights to begin with in the county and motorcyclists are bound to get stuck at one of them. And try to explain the "two minute rule" to the officer writing you a ticket for running a signal.

J. Dobson (not verified)

This is silly, it will confuse people- esp young people and bike (not motorcycles) riders and cause accidents.

Tag get a grip and get to work doing something useful.

Loudoun Rider (not verified)

I go when safe to do so already. I spend at lot of time riding at 0'dark thirty when I'm the only one on the road. I'm not wasting 5,10, whatever minutes of my life sitting at a right light in the hope that some other vehicle comes along because the same idiots at VDOT that can't even get the lights in some sort of synchronization also can't properly adjust the sensitivity of the inductive loops.

Sometimes I'm lucky enough to be at an intersection with crosswalks and the buttons the pedestrians press to make the light change. I'll get off and press the button.

Of course if all signals had the camera-type sensors rather than inductive loops, this wouldn't be a problem.

JV Anonymous (not verified)

This is the first common sense legislation I have seen in Richmond since Governor Jim Gilmore's proposal to eliminate the inefficient "car tax" in 1998.

Way to go Tag!!

JV

mnd (not verified)

Virginia code already permits this. No additional law is necessary.

Virginia Code § 46.2-833
...
B. If the traffic lights controlling an intersection are out of service because of a power failure or other event that prevents the giving of signals by the traffic lights, the drivers of vehicles approaching such an intersection shall proceed as though such intersection were controlled by a stop sign on all approaches. The provisions of this subsection shall not apply to: intersections controlled by portable stop signs, intersections with law-enforcement officers or other authorized persons directing traffic, or intersections controlled by traffic lights displaying flashing red or flashing amber lights as provided in subsection A.
...

Traffic lights that use vehicle detection devices which are not correctly calibrated for all legal motor vehicles are malfunctioning.

A malfunction is an "other event that prevents the giving of signals."

DE (not verified)

This is a change in the law that makes sense.... so my guess is that it's doomed to fail.

What are the motorcycle riders supposed to do if the light never picks them up????... Any move they make (except continuing to wait or making a right turn...if that is an option) will violate a traffic law. Making it legal for them to proceed in the situations outlined is only logical.

However.... this law would REDUCE the revenue intake derived from traffic violations. So...... it will never pass because no matter what the local police department tells you. IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY. It's ALWAYS about the money.

Anonymous (not verified)

"Traffic lights that use vehicle detection devices which are not correctly calibrated for all legal motor vehicles are malfunctioning.

A malfunction is an "other event that prevents the giving of signals.""

mnd,
This law spells it out and leave no room for "interpretation". Some judges could argue it was operating just fine because the cop was able to "set it off".
Personally, I will sit for about 5-10 minutes and if not given a green light, will proceed. I just hate to think that I have to waste a day in court and hope the judge sees it as "other events that prevents the giving of signals".

I have only had this happen once, and there were two of us sitting on the sensor. Most of the time, there is enough traffic that I can pull forward to let a car sit on the sensor.

Jem (not verified)

to nmd - NOT a NEW law, just an additional clarification paragraph like the one you cited. Also, nice theory that me and my less than 500 lbs together bike w/lots of plastic instead of metal cause a malfuction - but agree that a cop/judge may not see it that way if all the other vehicles can trigger it. INCLUDING the cop on his HD. Why should I waste my time AND yours are behind me when a few clarifying sentences will bring VA in line w/numerous other states laws?

Brian (not verified)

This is addressing "the issues". Motorcycles (two-wheelers in general) ease congestion on any road, including Route 7. This is why you see mostly bicycles, scooters, and motorcycles on the road in very crowded parts of the globe.

Making is easier for two-wheelers to move on down the road is a (albeit small) part of a solution to NoVA's traffic problems.

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